To all creationists: You are basing your argument on the creation story in Genesis and the fact that this is literally God’s word. Let’s used examine “God’s Word” literally!
Read Genesis 1, and pay especially attention to vs23 to 31.Here God describes (or Moses inspired by God, it’s God’s word remember) that after the fifth day” god made all animals, cattle, creeping things and ”how good it was”. THEN God “created man in his image. Male and female he created them and he said “be fertile and multiply” OK so far so good, it is the truth because it is god’s word!
Now let’s read genesis 2 vs 5 No field scrub, no grass. Next: vs 7 god creates Adam (one single male, no female) Blows the spirit (Air) in his nose and Adam became alive. Next God made the trees in the Garden of Eden, settle Adam in it and in vs 18/19 made the animals and birds out of the ground (after creating Adam, as opposed to the genesis story, where man is created last). Vs 20 “but none proved to be the suitable partner for the man”. Then God put Adam to sleep and created Eve.
AS you can see these are two different stories. Explainable if Moses made a mistake under God’s guidance, or God’s memory failed when he told Moses a second time.
Which one is true and needs to be taken literally?
The logical explanation is that Moses or someone else or two different persons, wrote down old myths (that resemble similar ancient myths) and when stories are repeated they do change and get altered, as we well know from simple experiments which kids often do in class or at parties, you probably participated in that kind of experiment, and found out that the final story at the end of passing it on did not even resemble the original.
The truth is staring you right in the face, but I bet you will not see it because you suffer from a bad case of “Cognitive dissonance” (look it up):
dissonance reduction can be achieved in four ways:[
1. Change behavior/cognition
2. Justify behavior/cognition by changing the conflicting cognition
3. Justify behavior/cognition by adding new cognitions
4. Ignore/Deny any information that conflicts with existing beliefs
Number 4 is what creationist especially do, by ignoring the Bible parts that do not fit their beliefs or denying information and facts presented in favor of evolution. Their dissonance is so strong that they cannot change behavior (no.1).
I’ll be very interested in your comments and how you will talk yourself out of the fact that Genesis 1 is not the same story as genesis 2 in a manner that is convincing to others, religious, or not who do not suffer Cognitive Dissonance to the extend that you do. If you stay silent I must conclude you have agreed that the Bible cannot be taken literally and that the genesis of the bible is an interesting myth(s).
T0 Benjamin Andrews You falsely assume I don't know what cognitive dissonance means and that I'm not able to see the truth for myself. You're a typical evolutionist in that you live in a world of falsehood, lies, deception, and misleading. The bible is the truth, and while some parts of it are harder to understand than others, it does not contradict itself. In the original language it was written, it is perfect, and if you don't know Hebrew & Greek you will struggle and misinterpret some passages, but that being said, the central message comes through: God created everything. You'll have to deal with that and with Him someday. People like yourself strain at the gnat, only to wind up swallowing the camel. You're not looking for an answer, you're looking to be critical of God's Word. He is not mocked, someday you'll pay a price for insulting His Word.
Genesis 1 is a general overview and in Genesis 2 it moves to the specific. The creation account is not a complete restatement in chapter 2, it just provides some detail. God created the animals in Genesis 1. In Genesis 2, it is stating that God made the animals (past tense) and He (God) was brining them to Adam so he'd name them. Do your own homework instead of trying to knock the Bible. It has withstood the test of time.
Unless you're born again you can not see the kingdom of God. If one of us is unable to see the truth staring them in the face I think you're the one with the problem. I live for Christ. I suspect you serve the father of lies. Either way, don't bother contacting me again. I'll not respond to you any further. As the scripture says: Matt. 6 “Don’t give holy things to dogs, and don’t throw your pearls ·before [to] ·pigs [T swine]. ·Pigs will only trample on them, and dogs will turn to attack you.
Gen 1:25-27 says
God created the animals (before He created man and woman) God created man then woman
Gen 2:18-19 says God created man then woman (already done in Genesis 1)
God made (already formed) the animals (past tense, a done deal) and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them.
The excuse, you use, (and that I have seen in other replies, indicating a common origin) that the “original” in Hebrew and Greek was perfect but the translations are not perfect or hard to understand is of course admitting that the translators were not guided by God and that God could not make the Bible easy to understand and made it possible for the bible to be misinterpreted. Thanks for the admission that we cannot trust or understand the “Word of God.” The almighty could not make the translations perfect. No wonder there are so many versions, which one do you use?
If you are going to refer to the bible, quote the bible, rather than make up a statement such as “God created the animals (before He created man and woman). God created man then woman”. Gen1:25-27:
“God made all kinds of wild animals, all kinds of cattle and all kinds of creepy things of the earth. God saw how good it was. Then God said “ let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air and the cattle and over all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image: in the divine image created him: male AND female he created them”.
You admit here that God, in Gen 1, created the animals BEFORE he created Adam and Eve
Now lets examine the EXACT wording in Gen.2:18-19
You stated: “God created man then women (already done in Genesis 1)” That is NOT in Gen 2:18-19. It tells us that God created Adam, then the animals so Adam would not be alone, and finally Eve. IT IS VERY CLEAR! After God created Adam in Ge2:7 he spoke to Adam in Gen 2:18-19
“ The Lord God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him. So the Lord God formed out of the ground various wild animals and various birds of the air, and he brought him to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each of them would be its name”
God did not say “I have already made a suitable partner for him” He said “I WILL make”. Furthermore “SO” establishes here, that God concluded, because Adam was ALONE (no animals), he needed animals. NOWHERE does that say, as you stated: “God made (already formed) the animals (past tense, a done deal) and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them” A FALSIFIED statement to mislead people who are too lazy to look up the real text. It is a normal “past tense” just like it is used used in “God SAID” and “the Lord FORMED the man out of clay” or “ he TOOK out one of his ribs”, you are grasping at straws here by using a lie!
I know that because of your severe case of dissonance you cannot even “see” this but I answer you anyway so that other people, not blinded by dissonance, will see how wrong you are and that it is you who is living “in a world of falsehood, lies, deception, and misleading.” as you so aptly stated.
Read Genesis 1, and pay especially attention to vs23 to 31.Here God describes (or Moses inspired by God, it’s God’s word remember) that after the fifth day” god made all animals, cattle, creeping things and ”how good it was”. THEN God “created man in his image. Male and female he created them and he said “be fertile and multiply” OK so far so good, it is the truth because it is god’s word!
Now let’s read genesis 2 vs 5 No field scrub, no grass. Next: vs 7 god creates Adam (one single male, no female) Blows the spirit (Air) in his nose and Adam became alive. Next God made the trees in the Garden of Eden, settle Adam in it and in vs 18/19 made the animals and birds out of the ground (after creating Adam, as opposed to the genesis story, where man is created last). Vs 20 “but none proved to be the suitable partner for the man”. Then God put Adam to sleep and created Eve.
AS you can see these are two different stories. Explainable if Moses made a mistake under God’s guidance, or God’s memory failed when he told Moses a second time.
Which one is true and needs to be taken literally?
The logical explanation is that Moses or someone else or two different persons, wrote down old myths (that resemble similar ancient myths) and when stories are repeated they do change and get altered, as we well know from simple experiments which kids often do in class or at parties, you probably participated in that kind of experiment, and found out that the final story at the end of passing it on did not even resemble the original.
The truth is staring you right in the face, but I bet you will not see it because you suffer from a bad case of “Cognitive dissonance” (look it up):
dissonance reduction can be achieved in four ways:[
1. Change behavior/cognition
2. Justify behavior/cognition by changing the conflicting cognition
3. Justify behavior/cognition by adding new cognitions
4. Ignore/Deny any information that conflicts with existing beliefs
Number 4 is what creationist especially do, by ignoring the Bible parts that do not fit their beliefs or denying information and facts presented in favor of evolution. Their dissonance is so strong that they cannot change behavior (no.1).
I’ll be very interested in your comments and how you will talk yourself out of the fact that Genesis 1 is not the same story as genesis 2 in a manner that is convincing to others, religious, or not who do not suffer Cognitive Dissonance to the extend that you do. If you stay silent I must conclude you have agreed that the Bible cannot be taken literally and that the genesis of the bible is an interesting myth(s).
T0 Benjamin Andrews You falsely assume I don't know what cognitive dissonance means and that I'm not able to see the truth for myself. You're a typical evolutionist in that you live in a world of falsehood, lies, deception, and misleading. The bible is the truth, and while some parts of it are harder to understand than others, it does not contradict itself. In the original language it was written, it is perfect, and if you don't know Hebrew & Greek you will struggle and misinterpret some passages, but that being said, the central message comes through: God created everything. You'll have to deal with that and with Him someday. People like yourself strain at the gnat, only to wind up swallowing the camel. You're not looking for an answer, you're looking to be critical of God's Word. He is not mocked, someday you'll pay a price for insulting His Word.
Genesis 1 is a general overview and in Genesis 2 it moves to the specific. The creation account is not a complete restatement in chapter 2, it just provides some detail. God created the animals in Genesis 1. In Genesis 2, it is stating that God made the animals (past tense) and He (God) was brining them to Adam so he'd name them. Do your own homework instead of trying to knock the Bible. It has withstood the test of time.
Unless you're born again you can not see the kingdom of God. If one of us is unable to see the truth staring them in the face I think you're the one with the problem. I live for Christ. I suspect you serve the father of lies. Either way, don't bother contacting me again. I'll not respond to you any further. As the scripture says: Matt. 6 “Don’t give holy things to dogs, and don’t throw your pearls ·before [to] ·pigs [T swine]. ·Pigs will only trample on them, and dogs will turn to attack you.
Gen 1:25-27 says
God created the animals (before He created man and woman) God created man then woman
Gen 2:18-19 says God created man then woman (already done in Genesis 1)
God made (already formed) the animals (past tense, a done deal) and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them.
The excuse, you use, (and that I have seen in other replies, indicating a common origin) that the “original” in Hebrew and Greek was perfect but the translations are not perfect or hard to understand is of course admitting that the translators were not guided by God and that God could not make the Bible easy to understand and made it possible for the bible to be misinterpreted. Thanks for the admission that we cannot trust or understand the “Word of God.” The almighty could not make the translations perfect. No wonder there are so many versions, which one do you use?
If you are going to refer to the bible, quote the bible, rather than make up a statement such as “God created the animals (before He created man and woman). God created man then woman”. Gen1:25-27:
“God made all kinds of wild animals, all kinds of cattle and all kinds of creepy things of the earth. God saw how good it was. Then God said “ let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air and the cattle and over all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image: in the divine image created him: male AND female he created them”.
You admit here that God, in Gen 1, created the animals BEFORE he created Adam and Eve
Now lets examine the EXACT wording in Gen.2:18-19
You stated: “God created man then women (already done in Genesis 1)” That is NOT in Gen 2:18-19. It tells us that God created Adam, then the animals so Adam would not be alone, and finally Eve. IT IS VERY CLEAR! After God created Adam in Ge2:7 he spoke to Adam in Gen 2:18-19
“ The Lord God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him. So the Lord God formed out of the ground various wild animals and various birds of the air, and he brought him to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each of them would be its name”
God did not say “I have already made a suitable partner for him” He said “I WILL make”. Furthermore “SO” establishes here, that God concluded, because Adam was ALONE (no animals), he needed animals. NOWHERE does that say, as you stated: “God made (already formed) the animals (past tense, a done deal) and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them” A FALSIFIED statement to mislead people who are too lazy to look up the real text. It is a normal “past tense” just like it is used used in “God SAID” and “the Lord FORMED the man out of clay” or “ he TOOK out one of his ribs”, you are grasping at straws here by using a lie!
I know that because of your severe case of dissonance you cannot even “see” this but I answer you anyway so that other people, not blinded by dissonance, will see how wrong you are and that it is you who is living “in a world of falsehood, lies, deception, and misleading.” as you so aptly stated.
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