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Experiencing God and Demons

12/8/2013

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In spite of what I admit has happened in our society under church leadership,  I have had experiences which tell me absolutely that God is who He says he is, and that the devil is very real.  The Bible has proved itself out with me, particularly in bad experiences with religions calling themselves Christian (eg. charismatic experiences which I don't care to repeat).  In those situations, I actually met up with the demonic at times, but then there was the counter experience of God being exactly who and what He said He was.  People rarely actually have experiences which tell them these things are real, but it happened.  I won't go into the details, but it's not just faith with me now.  I've been there.  It's no longer a matter of a closed or open mind - just like I know my car runs on gas.  I could try diesel, but it wouldn't make sense for me.
When it's like that, it's no longer a matter of discussing various religious theories.  It can be as plain as knowing that my car runs on gas.  My car does it every time I fill up, and the Bible was like that for me. Things happened, there was a very real devil and a very real God of the Bible.  So ---  my contribution would be limited to the Bible view of our world and what we are all about.  Whether our world is changed by it is our choice, and mostly churches haven't followed it closely enough for us to feel  that our spiritual, intellectual and emotional needs are met.  So my friends and family are seeking other avenues.
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The above letter shows that my “musings” will never convert a true believer and that is not my intention anyway. I like to use this letter to show you that very sincere people regard dreams and hallucinations as “real” supernatural happenings and not as manifestations of the electric and chemical processes in the brain. We know now that the brain can produce the same chemicals as those we find in hallucinatory drugs without having taken any. To this person “It’s no longer a matter of a closed or open mind”. Just like the “Near Death” experiences, these occurrences are very real to the person. They will not accept a scientific explanation for their episode(s).

I also like to point out that this person, although very disappointed with organized religion, accepts that the bible is the only “correct” ancient book, disregarding the many other religious texts. If one was born and brought up in a different environment and religion the bible would not be relevant but another ancient scripture would be. The fact that one is born in an area and at a time where the bible is relevant is purely the luck of the draw. I one was born in Greece a few thousand years ago the dreams and hallucinations would have been about Zues and Hades, in today’s Asia these would be about Budha or Shakyamuni.

Logical thinking would immediately conclude that, since these “supernatural” episodes are reflecting only the religion one is brought up in and does not reflect the other religions in the past or present, they are not “real”. Until the “supernatural” in all its forms: religion, astrology, prophesies, faith healing etc. etc. are scientifically tested, one should not accept any “supernatural” explanations or let them dictate how one should live ones life.

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